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Post  sparker599 on Sun Jan 19, 2014 1:54 am

Just 1 week ago, I found sink glitch strats for zone 2/Coastal Crush and Zone 11/Late arrival: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQoK7XPVJCw and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwLpw3hoXTI

Right after, there were 3 world records on zone 2 in just 2 days:
325 million by Brainkiller007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQPObuk25cU
625 million by hddr3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak0TYDNUI6o
700 million by anthony http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAFgtHUHA1M

After those, some monster scores happened on zone 11:
827 million by Brainiller007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrWDbyVTG8U
880 million by hddr3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7q0HGt9j6c
778 million by BoneCrasherMania1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvTCRpeJpX8 (this is the best view of a sink glitch happening on 11; in the 827mil and 880mil, the camera just focuses on the player's car instead of the sink glitch)

These are the first ever scores ove 800 million, and they both happened on the same day! It shows how much potential for high scores sink glitches have.

EDIT: Just to be clear, using Dolphin instead of a real console does not make it any easier to get sink glitches.





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Re: Sink Glitches

Post  Brainkiller007 on Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:11 am

I think u should tell what made u found those sink spots.

On zone 11 this was tested long ago but seems like it wasn't tested enough. I remember Madmax once got a glitch  where the used car was kicked toward the finish and in the after time the traffic fell through the ground. If i remember correctly Slazzy tested it then a little that way u did, with crashing and flying toward the finish. Now we see he didn't tested enough.
That spot is working quite good.

On zone 2 when u found that i asked myself why no one had the idea before to drive tille the end of a map and crash the truck there. Cause it was known long ago u can drive through those green arrows or through those "red x".

Cause zone 29 is just the reversed zone 2 it will work there too. Here is a vid i tested it:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4sdorekhubjjdq7/bBnVN9P8I-/World%20Crash%20Rankings%20%2B%20Statistics/Latest%20Vids/29_bk007_42mil_6mil-sink_ntsc.avi

For now it doesn't look like this will work on other zones. Maybe that same system like on zone 11 could work on other zones.

But i don't really want it to be found on other zones cause it destroyed something. 3 zones, zones i liked to crash on and get glitches, were completely senseless in some way. I mean all those scores from before r worth nothing anymore. Also, in the case of zone 11 but also zone 2, this just works almost too good if i compare it with zone 4.
Now everyone can get scores -far- above those old ones on within just 1 day. Its a little sad to see all those good old scores being crushed and worth "nothing" anymore.

And for the totals, they r worth nothing anymore cause u can get a 2 billion total with just 3 zones and overtake people who played long time for their totals. It absolutely doesn't show who deserved his rank there. The totals like it was till now worked out good but it needs a change now. The idea is to "convert" them into average position rankings. It means not the score will count, the position on each zone will count.

Those days i will get more into detail and post that in a seperate topic, so everyone can post his opinion about.
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Re: Sink Glitches

Post  sparker599 on Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:56 pm

Brainkiller007 wrote:I think u should tell what made u found those sink spots.

This actually started on zone 9, not 14. Late last year, I had this glitch on zone 9 where my car was kicked behind the start line and fell off an edge back there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RA7cYCSY1c I knew that there were various vehicles behind the start line, including trucks and I wondered what would happen if a truck got stuck on that edge. I thought that, because of the hill, the truck would slide far back instead of falling off the edge, and that madmax style glitches would be easy because of this. I used hyper accel to get behind the red wall, parked the hotrod just before the edge so that a truck would hit my car, slow down, and get stuck on the edge. I did get sinks almost every time, but there was only hundreds of thousands of dollars damage per second, not millions, and the sinks wouldn't last more than 1-2 seconds because the truck would just jump back above the ground every time. When I tried hitting the trucks from the rear instead of the front, I got millions of damage per second, but the highest was only 15 million.

I then went onto zone 18 and got these glitches: http://youtu.be/U45LACw5l2o

The first sink where i beat madmax's 77mil was on zone 14, with 125 million damage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYZQ0K3vyGg That was the highest damage ever in this game...but only for a few hours, until I got 141mil on 9, with a score of 1.1 billion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFM1hx9M5ho and finally, 207 million on 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S_B7sEo6o4



To find these edges(spots where a truck can sink), I would start on any zone where there is a truck driving towards the start line(or where a truck drives off the map after going through red x's or green arrows), drive forward some distance, then drive back towards the start line, using hyper accel to get through the red wall, red x's, or whatever is normally blocking you from getting to the edge.

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Not a PC game

Post  Drew22werD on Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:27 am

Finding these glitches with a modded B2 game on a PC leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. I'm officially done playing this game because you have ruined it for me.
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Re: Sink Glitches

Post  Traperac on Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:51 am

Even if playing them to push score higher, these zones also lost interest for me. But that would be too bad to stop for that, there are still 27 zones that are worth playing this game ! Of course these 3 zones destroyed the current ranking system (I really don't deserve that #2 place, I got 2 billion with only 2 zones...).
But I'm currently working on a new version of the site that would allow automatic rankings such as Average Position on charts, that would be a more reallistic ranking.

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Re: Sink Glitches

Post  micmic85 on Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:50 pm

Why not 2 overall ranking, with & without Dolphin/PC.
A legit ranking where Drew is 2nd (only with normal machine Xbox ps2 Gc) & a various ranking with (Xbox ps2 Gc Dolphin/PC ... why not one day steam machine & others).
2 bio with 2 zone, if there are 2 rankings, ok ... why not if it´s fun for players who achieve/success it BUT if there is still only 1 overall ranking, no way !!!

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Re: Sink Glitches

Post  Brainkiller007 on Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:26 pm

I don't really see something negative in "messing" around with cheats/tas, then find maybe something which gives u some idea to try those stuff without cheats/tas.
I never really liked this "to be limited" to something, like a game needs to be played that way or "how it meant to be played", etc.. But it was also sad to see that work on those zones worth nothing anymore. Now with a little time gone i got used too and i still try to get the best scores, still i will see how it will change crash/those zones for me.

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the problem is not if its done on Dolphin, those sink-glitches work on each version. Also i don't really see a good reason why to disallow sink-glitches now which i thought of. Sure it would be nice to see what the best scores are without sink-glitches, maybe the same like non-glitch scores on glitch-zones.

In 1 point it seems everyone agrees. The totals like they are now, are for sure not that, what it was before without those new sink-zones. This sure needs a change. I will open a new topic about.
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Re: Sink Glitches

Post  Traperac on Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:01 pm

Separate Dolphin and others isn't a good idea, games are exactly the same on both. Some players (me, sparker, bone) played Dolphin to provide live record vids, and I would feel disappointed if my scores I work hard on wouldn't be recognised as legit because I wanted to offer better quality vids to other players. Moreover, there is absolutely no way to tell if game is running on Dolphin or not (with HDMI cable I can for example play Dolphin full screen on my TV).
For sink glitches, there is absolutely no way to be 100% sure that no score has ever been made on 2 or 11 without sink glitch before they were "discovered". I agree it seems difficult to get sink glitch on 2 by mistake, but on 11 it surely happened for some, and then the ranking would still be destroyed. But a ranking as the non glitch could be done for explosion glitch on these zones.

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Re: Sink Glitches

Post  micmic85 on Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:46 pm

On 2, the BK´s WR without sink glitch was THE goal when we tried it (300+).
Now, if for exemple i want to do a nice new pr ( mine 177 mio), i have to play with Dolphin for break easily the 300 mio (WR 1,4 bio), if you are happy about this, excellent for you, not for me.
Dolphin killed the charts & that before the sink glitches .
Seing Anthony got 266 on 11 with Xbox, wow a spinner .... Super the franchie but see the vid of 1,4 bio, not interesting because not fair play for all the players of burnout 2 since the begining of the game (like all the Xbox live players for example).
Only my opinion but i understand to keep the community alive, we have to Search new challenge, that´s burnout 2 crash mode.
AP is an interesting idea.
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Re: Sink Glitches

Post  Traperac on Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:27 pm

If sink glitches were to be only on Dolphin, I would agree. But you seem to be confused : sink glitch can be done no matter the platform. 700mios score on 2 by Anthony was done on Xbox, not Dolphin.

micmic85 wrote:Dolphin killed the charts & that before the sink glitches .
I don't see your point. Dolphin is exactly the same as could be a Gamecube : there is absolutely no difference.

For sink glitches, as I said previously, I would be happy they don't exist. But other players may question the fact we allow explosion glitch and no sink glitch. It's not my opinion, but they may argue the fact we use double standard, and that in a logical way we shoud either count every glitch or none.
Moreover problem is there is a lot of scores we have no vid of, so disallow sink glitches would mean disallow every score on zones 2,4,11 and 29 without vid. This would remove too much scores, and I think the best is still to do a best no sink glitch list the same way no glitch list has been done.

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Re: Sink Glitches

Post  Brainkiller007 on Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:29 pm

No, u don't need to play Dolphin to get the sink glitch work on zone 2 or 11 or 29. It works everywhere. Or do u think it works better on Dolphin?

Why do u think Dolphin killed the charts even before? 

No cheats or any help have been used to get those sink-scores. So it is sure fair played. But i agree onto that its nothing special to beat the old 266 million WR and that with a sink-glitch. But on the same way u could say that for any new strat. For example someone really played long on a zone for a score, then a new better strat is found and all that work is worth nothing  anymore.


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While i wrote that Traperac posted already.
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Re: Sink Glitches

Post  micmic85 on Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:04 pm

Confused yes.
I checked all new vids about 2 & 11. I thought only Dolphin can beat the 2 normal WR.
Now i know what i have to do, GC with C-R & try the 2 new strat (50 or 60 Hz).
Go go go !!!
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Re: Sink Glitches

Post  Traperac on Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:39 pm

micmic85 wrote:Confused yes.
I checked all new vids about 2 & 11. I thought only Dolphin can beat the 2 normal WR.
Now i know what i have to do, GC with C-R & try the 2 new strat (50 or 60 Hz).
Go go go !!!

Good luck ! You will see on 11 it's very easy to get 800+ score. I recommend 60Hz, counter seems to rise way faster than in 50Hz.

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Re: Sink Glitches

Post  sparker599 on Sun Feb 02, 2014 9:23 am

Drew22werD wrote:Finding these glitches with a modded B2 game on a PC leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. I'm officially done playing this game because you have ruined it for me.

The hyper cheat was used ONLY to experiment and find the locations of edges where trucks can sink, not for any scores in the wcr. As BK and Traperac have said, dolphin doesnt make it any easier to get sinks.
What's so bad about using cheats to experiment, exploring new possibilities? It's much easier to find new edges (locations where trucks can sink) with hyper accel than without it. That's why I used it to find the new edges.
Cheats can be used on dolphin/PC or the real console.

I have started up some best vids lists for the sink zones, lists where sink are not allowed. I did this mainly because JX vids are more fun to watch than sink vids. Anthony's 266mil on 11 and BK's 301mil on 2 are at the top of those lists, so they are not meaningless, they do count for something.
zone 2: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZRlKCDJDJ95tSCmO7lQiep6ahJ8oOEgf
zone 4: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZRlKCDJDJ95OPVTUPAT6lzwZjuiDqOpl
zone 11: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZRlKCDJDJ96mMAQ-2b5TphIQbRPO9rZF
also, zone 13, no rail glitches(wont bother to add nonglitch vids unless they are over 40mil and/or interesting to watch): http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZRlKCDJDJ94D0NVLZBskwQpznMgoJyFi

The sinks certainly do mean that some people have much higher totals than others just because they have played the sink zones and others haven't. But, it's always been that way, even before I found the sinks on 2 and 11 - any player has always been able to get a higher total than others by focusing on the high score zones and neglecting the low score zones. Of course, this is more true now that sinks have been found working on 2 and 11.



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Re: Sink Glitches

Post  Brainkiller007 on Sun Feb 02, 2014 11:46 am

I think Drew didn't like the fact it was found with something where u just don't need to put as much work into like without, in this case the hypercheat + savestates.
Maybe it would be something different if it was just found on a real console + hypercheat. I mean imagine u r just trying around there for fun and then by accident u find something which gives u an idea to try that without the cheat. And why not use or try this without the cheat then. Would it still be a bad taste.

Nice playlists, i will make again a top-10 damages list for zone 2, so u can include this. Maybe for zone 2 u can include each 200mil + vid and for zone 11 each 120mil+ vid, i will send u links for those vids. For zone 4 and 13 the playlists look a little bit lost + empty.
Now i just think of a place where to add those links to the playlists so that they can be found much easier.

I think the positive about finding those new sink zones is the idea to "change" totals into the new overall rankings. For sure they r more, i don't know how to say.....accurate than the totals. Like sparker wrote for playing small zones u didn't really get rewarded in the totals. And those totals/overall rankings should show who is the best out of 30 zones and not just the 10 biggest score zones.
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Re: Sink Glitches

Post  sparker599 on Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:50 pm

For zones 2 and 11, the scores we've got without the cheat are much larger than the ones that i got using the cheat(only a little over 200mil for 2, and 377mil on 11).

For 11, that was even with a different edge than was used without the cheat. The first edge that I found on 11 was with the hyper cheat, and it was near the start line. I then found another edge(the one currently used in all those scores over 800 and 900 million that we've had recently), but it was difficult or impossible to get a truck to sink on it(I think it was because I couldn't get there in time) just by following a truck backwards like I did with the previous zone 11 edge and on zones 9 and 14 and went straight to trying to get sinks on it without cheats because. So, I went straight to trying without the cheat and got my (old) pr of 77mil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwLpw3hoXTI

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Re: Sink Glitches

Post  EtMerde A on Sat Feb 15, 2014 3:40 pm

one mounth ago when i played zone 8 ridge riot i got someting who looks like be a possibility of a new sink zone. i'm not sure about it. it's hard to get the truck glitching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOAjPCMAnEE
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Re: Sink Glitches

Post  Brainkiller007 on Sat Feb 15, 2014 10:41 pm

Sparker posted a vid on youtube, looks like it wont work that way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHp9rrZapj4
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Re: Sink Glitches

Post  Traperac on Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:20 pm

According to ccc new video on 28, there seems to be a potential sink glitch on the wall. Ccc didn't get damage from it cause he didn't hit the truck trailer. With a strat close to RedderBattle639's freeze, by hitting the truck first, there might be a possible sink zone there.

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Re: Sink Glitches

Post  Brainkiller007 on Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:53 pm

EtMerde posted that video today. I never saw a sink glitch like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEk-pr9Gjl0
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Re: Sink Glitches

Post  Traperac on Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:07 pm

Wow, this one looks crazy as hell. Has he told you how much damage it was ?

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Post  EtMerde A on Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:30 pm

Traperac wrote:Wow, this one looks crazy as hell. Has he told you how much damage it was ?
Nothing, it seems the cab was hit first.
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Re: Sink Glitches

Post  Brainkiller007 on Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:42 pm

I tend to forget that fact that the back of a truck needs to be hit 1st to get damage from the sink-glitch. Thinking of zone 4 this eliminates all thoughts of crashing into some other vehicle than the truck to get a better multi.
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Post  Traperac on Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:42 pm

That's right, I didn't pay attention to the fact you didn't crash into trucks. I think even if the cab isn't hit first, sometimes there won't be any damage. So far, it seems to me damage occurs only when you hit the trailer directly (meaning you can hit anything before, actually you have to crash into trailer).
That's what makes the sink glitch almost impossible on 6 and 18. I tried many times hitting the trailer to get the truck slide to the edge. On 6, the best I got was a truck going through the "black gate", right before the edge. But it seems nearly impossible to get to the edge.

However, this kind of sink glitch is very interesting. Would be cool to see one of those on a known sink zone, to see if damage rises faster or if it's possible to catch extra multi.

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Post  EtMerde A on Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:57 pm

I tried to hit to trailer to, but if u hit a truck anywhere it won't slide like in the vid, I don't think that kind of sink could be achieved in another sink zone cause I noticed that when the truck on 6 is sinking he's  automatically "driving" back. I can also say that it works better with an oil tanker cause I already had a grey truck and a flatbed with wood but those are just going back to the solid ground. But who know maybe one day it will happen on another zone to... Maks said that he had it to, But I don't know on wich zone.
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