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New Overall Ranking (AP)

Post  Brainkiller007 on Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:45 pm

Since those new sink-zones have been found people are able to get $2,5 billion for just 2 zones. This made the totals not worth what it was before. So there is a idea to "remove" them. They still will be there but the focus shouldn't be on them like it was till now. Instead there will be a ranking called Overall Ranking (AP).

AP stands for average position. It will be calculated via your positons on each zone. Just summate each position on a zone and divide them through 30 (zones). The result will be your average position on a zone.
For each zone someone isn't ranked in the Top-25 the position will be counted as 30th. We thought about counting is as 26th but then for some harder Top-25s to get into, people maybe wont bother to get a entry if its just a low 20s position. So there should be some kind of credit to enter a Top-25.

Each zone will get the same weight with the AP. It still isn't perfect cause some zones are harder to get into but sure it is better than the totals right now.

Any opinions or suggestions plz post into this topic.
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Re: New Overall Ranking (AP)

Post  Anthony Burnout on Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:52 pm

Good idea.but it just takes the current top 50 totals keeps the same importance and others. because the average does not really tell the total position with all zones.but otherwise, the idea is here.
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Re: New Overall Ranking (AP)

Post  Traperac on Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:06 pm

Average does tell the position overall all zones since it's an average of all zones. Totals are completely screwed with 2 zones, there is no point to keep it imo : a newbie could come on this site, try zone 2 & 11, and be ranked with 2,5 billion with only 2 zones. With others, he would easily break 3 billion barrier, and maybe even 4 billion with a good score on 3 & 4. Within a month, someone could almost be in top10...

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Re: New Overall Ranking (AP)

Post  Anthony Burnout on Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:14 pm

yes,but one day,the totals top 10 will hard. because,the players play burnout for a big score on 11 and on 2,so the top 50 will plus hard for entered. so interressing no ?
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Re: New Overall Ranking (AP)

Post  Brainkiller007 on Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:10 pm

I just added a AP ranking in the Totals topic. I calculated only the AP from 1st to 25th place in Totals. So this is just a test to compare it with the Totals ranking and to get a "better" opinion about.

http://crashmode.chiefs.tv/t37-totals-top-50#291

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Here is spreadsheet i created:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgBg1QITrst3dE93UF9GT0F3V2hLVlVCWkhIRlJjLUE&usp=sharing


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Re: New Overall Ranking (AP)

Post  Traperac on Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:19 pm

It's interesting to keep it, but it shouldn't be a reference anymore. You shouldn't be able to say "I'm rank # in Burnout 2 Crash Mode" referencing to totals.
There are many reasons to that, some have been already said, here are others :
Totals ranking doesn't put the same weight on each zone : it encourages people to play on big score zones, and zones with low scores (Ridge Riot/Cool and non glitch zones aren't worth playing to improve totals. Another direct consequence is that a player with an insane score in one zone can be better than someone who has great scores on every zone. Before I had my 572 on 3, Wave and I were the only ones in top10 that had no 500+ score on 3. With my 1413 million score on 2, I took way too more credit in totals than it should. I don't deserve to be #2, and I don't even deserve to be in top5 at the moment (maybe later, will continue to work on it !).

@BK : this looks great. Top5 looks almost the one I had in mind.

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2 charts 2 totals

Post  Drew22werD on Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:24 pm

Chart 1=best JX scores,,Chart 2=best sink scores. Use this on zones where both glitches work,2,4,11,ect... For all the people still crashing your all going for the sink chart. Not sure why its such a big deal to have 2 charts or totals anyway. This way the people who dont or cant play anymore dont get effected. Put yourself in my shoes, Ive played these zones for 10 years and now my scores are useless. This couldnt be more unfair IMO.
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Re: New Overall Ranking (AP)

Post  Brainkiller007 on Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:02 pm

There could be a extra chart for those zones without the sink glitch. But it would just be a extra chart like for example the best non-glitch vids. U could say even same for "no RST" charts, cause almost all these very old scores from people who didnt know about RST, their scores on some zones were beaten easily. But the RST is just a part of the game now. So u could do extra rankings for alot of stuff.

And in having 2 total charts, which one would be the main chart?
Where is the point in allowing a glitch but disallow another kind of glitch, i thought about a reason for that but couldn't really find a good one.

For zone 4 i am not even sure if i could find 25 scores cause i just cant tell without a vid if the score was done with sink glitch maybe. For example maco had a 50 million something score there and when he saw the 1st sink-glitch vids from zone 4 he said he got his score there the same way, he just wasn't sure in 2003 how he got that score. So also Totals from some XBLers would need to be changed.

That's for now my opinion, i will think more about that. For sure i would like to see the totals change to average position no matter what happens else. Imo this should have been like that from beginning, reason why this is better i wrote already.
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Re: New Overall Ranking (AP)

Post  Traperac on Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:14 pm

I understand your point. I can add something in new database so that we can differenciate a sink glitch from an explosion glitch. Here is how I see things :
No glitch scores < No sink scores < No wall glitch < All scores
Everyone knows what a no glitch is.
No sink glitches will also include classic explosion glitches.
No wall glitch will also include wall glitch.
All scores means whatever glitch you want (no cheats though).

Reference should still be all scores, but with this database you could display what would be the chart without sink , wall or any glitch at all.
But you need to be aware that without any vid, the score should be considered as wall or sink glitch then. Meaning the charts would be very less populated.

Is everyone ok with that ?

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Re: New Overall Ranking (AP)

Post  Traperac on Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:35 pm

After discussion with Bk, we think there shouldn't be a no wall glitch. So a score would be No Glitch, Classic Glitch or Sink Glitch.
Zones concerned are 2, 4, 11, 29, and others may change if another sink zone is discovered.

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Re: New Overall Ranking (AP)

Post  Brainkiller007 on Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:52 pm

Yes, i am ok with that. All kind of extra charts are nice, it sure would be nice if u could see whats the best score without a glitch, or without a sink-glitch, etc.

This just came in mind thinking of the sink-glitch. Wouldnt the better name be grind-glitch? Cause basically the truck is grinding on something and that makes the damage raise. The grind can happen on another vehicle (bus or truck), on a rail (normal rail or a rail like on zone 13) and on a disappearing map (zone 2,4,11,29). Now plz dont come with arguments like the scores are much bigger so it isn't the same. Its the same system just more or less effective.


Just for info which kind of differences i can see:
1. non-glitch
2. flying-glitch (normal,classic or use Drews name JX (JacknifeXplosion))
3. grind-glitch (on a vehicle, rail or disappearing map)
4. flat-position-glitch (it is something different than the flying-glitch cause it works also on ps2)
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